10 Greatest Male Figure Skaters of All Time

The sport of figure skating does not only emphasize athleticism and technical perfection but also artistic expression. This is my list of history’s ten greatest men singles figure skaters who have proven themselves in all these aspects, and in the process, won many world and/or Olympic titles.

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  1. Ulrich Salchow (Sweden)

    Salchow almost completely dominated figure skating throughout the first decade of the 20th century. Having won ten World titles (1901-05, 1907-11), which is a record he shares with Sonja Henie, this figure skater has won more World titles than any male figure skater in history, He also won nine European championships (1898-1900, 1904, 1906-1907, 1909-1910, 1913) and was the very first Olympic champion when the figure skating event was first included at the 1908 Summer Olympic Games. In a competition in 1909, he first performed a jump wherein he took off on the back inside edge and landed on the other foot’s back inside edge; this jump would eventually be named after him.

  2. Karl Schäfer (Austria)

    A seven-time World (1930-1936), eight-time European (1929-1936) and a two-time Olympic champion (1932, 1936). Very talented and versatile, he also played excellent violin and was national breaststroke champion of Austria for several years.

  3. Richard “Dick” Button (United States)

    Truly one of the greatest and most popular skaters of all time. Dick Button is a five-time World champion (1948-1952), seven -time US champion (1947-1952), the first and only American to win two consecutive Olympic titles (1948, 1952) and the only American to win the European championships in 1956, when non-Europeans were still allowed to compete. By winning the 1948 Olympic title, he became the youngest man to even win the figure skating gold at the Olympics at age 18. He is the first skater to successfully perform the double axel and a triple jump (the triple loop). He is also the first skater to do the camel spin and the creator of the flying camel spin called the “Button Camel” after him. He has been a figure skating commentator for ABC Sports since 1962 and is much well known for his direct and often caustic evaluation of skaters’ performances.

  4. Scott Hamilton (United States)

    The winner of four consecutive World championships (1981-1984), four consecutive US Championships (1981-1984) and the 1984 Olympic gold. Scott Hamilton has overcome many obstacles in life, having been struck as a child with a mysterious illness that caused him to stop growing (he grew only to 5 foot 2 ½ inches tall), almost forced to give up skating at age 18 due to financial constraints, and battled much-publicized testicular cancer in 1997. He is best known for his creativity and engaging personas whenever he performs.

  5. Evgeni Plushenko (Russia)

    His competitive record of being a five-time European champion (2000-01, 2003, 2005-06), three-time World champion (2001, 2003-04) and the 2006 Olympic gold medallist certainly makes him one of the greatest skaters that Russia ever produced. Evgeni Plushenko is much recognized for his exceptional technical abilities, being one of the very few male skaters to execute the Biellman spin. He was also consistently landing numerous quadruple, quadruple-triple and quadruple-triple-double jump combinations successfully in major competitions.

  6. Alexei Yagudin (Russia)

    Another great skater to come out of Russia. Alexei Yagudin won the World championships five times (1998-2000, 2002), the European championships three times (1998-1999, 2002) and the 2002 Winter Olympic gold. In the 2002 Games, he became the first male skater in fifty years to receive first-place ranks from every judge in all the competition stages. He also earned four perfect 6.0 marks for presentation; no other male skater had ever received more than one perfect mark in the history of the Olympics.

  7. Brian Boitano (United States)

    The first American to successfully land a triple axel. Brian Boitano introduced what would become his trademark jump, the “Tano triple lutz, in which the left arm is raised above the head. His athleticism and technical skills helped pushed the technical boundaries of men”s skating, and won him four US (1985-1988), World (1986, 1988) and the 1988 Olympic titles.

  8. Kurt Browning (Canada)

    A four World championship (1989-91, 1993) and four Canadian national (1989-91, 1993) titlist. At the 1988 Budapest World championships, he became the first ever skater to land a quadruple jump cleanly in competition.

  9. Elvis Stojko (Canada)

    A karate black belt at age 16; and a three-time World champion (1994-95, 1997), seven-time Canadian national champion (1994, 1996-2000 and 2002) and a two-time Olympic silver medalist (1994, 1998). Elvis Stojko became the first man to land the quadruple-double combination at the 1991 Worlds and a quadruple-triple combination at the 1997 Grand Prix Finals.

  10. Viktor Petrenko (USSR/Unified Team/Ukraine)

    Upon doctor’s recommendation to engage in a sport that will improve his health and strength as he was quite sickly as a child, his parents enrolled him in figure skating. Viktor Petrenko would go on to win the 1992 World championships and European championship three times (1990-91, 1994). He also competed for the Unified Team in the 1992 Winter Olympics and won, thereby becoming the first man from the former Soviet Union to earn the gold medal in singles figure skating.

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29 Comments
  1. nobert soloria bermosa
    Posted August 15, 2008 at 5:50 am

    great gymnasts, Americans and Russians are good at it

  2. Unofre Pili
    Posted August 17, 2008 at 10:42 pm

    Thanks for the information bro.

  3. Verniel Cutar
    Posted August 19, 2008 at 1:58 am

    Good job, Eddie!

  4. Stephen
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 4:39 pm

    Plushenko is great, but shouldn\’t Yagudin be ranked higher. Yagudin has 5 world titles vs. Plushenko\’s 3?

    Plushenko – 3 Worlds, 5 European, and 1 Olympic Gold
    Yagudin – 5 Worlds, 3 European, and 1 Olympic Gold

  5. Tennis fan
    Posted July 26, 2009 at 7:32 am

    I\’d have found a place for John Curry and Robin Cousins.

  6. Natalie
    Posted November 28, 2009 at 11:36 pm

    Stephen:
    “Plushenko is great, but shouldn\’t Yagudin be ranked higher. Yagudin has 5 world titles vs. Plushenko\’s 3?”

    This is mistake – Yagudin won actually 4 Worlds titles ;-)
    Another “update” – Plushenko jumped and quadruple-triple-tirple jump combination!
    He is probably in the front of Yagudin, because Plushenko won 2 medals at the Olympics (2002 – silver and 2006 – gold) … and preparing for the third Olympics and a medal! :-)

  7. Amalia
    Posted December 3, 2009 at 12:29 am

    I agree about Plushenko. I think that many gold medals besides “career longevity” are very important to be called Great athlete. That’s why I think Federer is better than Nadal (for now).

  8. Imanol
    Posted January 20, 2010 at 9:12 pm

    I think you all give too much importance to medals.

    Having the coherent respect to the clear difference of training conditions and food quality along history, Pluschenko is clearly the best ice skater of all simply because in his best physical condition he would clearly win any other skater in this list quite easily.

    Anyway… this was about the “greatest” not about the “best” so my opinion maybe isn’t totally right for some people. For me, the best is the greatest, I don’t care much about the past.

    Bolt is the best in 100m. Is he the best in history? Yes he is for me.

  9. Imanol
    Posted January 31, 2010 at 1:59 pm

    Well…
    Maybe Yagudin could eventually have better interpretation than Pluschenko in some ways, but most of the punctuation in this sport comes from technical difficulty and execution, and there, Pluschenko is a little step over Yagudin, that’s why he would always win against him (both) in a perfect condition.

  10. aysu
    Posted March 4, 2010 at 10:49 pm

    Evgeni is the best.His interpretation of the music is incomparable.No need to mention his flexibility!

  11. Kitty
    Posted June 7, 2010 at 2:29 am

    I would say Brian Joubert have to be in it!!!! He gets a medall in all european championships were he started.
    he get:
    european Championships:
    3 times gold, 3 times silver, 2 times bronzes
    world championships:
    1 time gold, 2 times silver, 4 times bronze
    olympic games:
    -
    grand prix:
    final:2 times gold, one time gold
    french championships:
    gold:6 times, silver:-, bronze: 1 time

  12. Kat
    Posted December 29, 2010 at 11:09 am

    Yagudin was stronger than Plush artistically and technically it’s quite close. Shame about his hip injury – I reckon Yagudin still had another Olympic Gold in him, had he been healthy.

  13. bella
    Posted January 17, 2011 at 9:33 am

    Havn’t seen the programs of top 3.
    agree 4~8, although I will put kurt browning little higher (6 of 7)
    I don’t like elvis’s program, but do respect his contribution to the sports.
    my favurate male skater is stephen lambiel. what a pity sometimes he cann’t deal with 3a (but he put 2 quads instead) and suffered injury in competition, or he could get more medals. anyway, i think he should have been listed in top10 because of his incomparable artistry.

  14. Tomo
    Posted January 22, 2011 at 7:31 am

    Where has the author forgotten ONDREJ NEPELA of former Czechoslovakia, current Slovak Republic?

    1 olympic champion 1972
    3 times world champion 1971-73
    5 times european champ 1969-73

    This is at least for a place in top 10, what do you’s think?

  15. DelsuionsofDrabger
    Posted February 3, 2011 at 9:43 am

    “Another “update” – Plushenko jumped and quadruple-triple-tirple jump combination!” – What’s your point? And he did that AFTER Yagudin already did it in practice at World’s in 2002, which is LONG before Plushenko ever did it.
    “He is probably in the front of Yagudin, because Plushenko won 2 medals at the Olympics (2002 – silver and 2006 – gold) … and preparing for the third Olympics and a medal! ” – Still means nothing considering he deserved NEITHER of those medals, since he made very stupid and very bad mistakes in both of those Olys. And the last medal that he got he whined about also (just like the one he got in 2002) because he can’t handle losing, and yet that’s all he ever did against Yagudin.
    “I agree about Plushenko. I think that many gold medals besides “career longevity” are very important to be called Great athlete.” – No, it has to do with judges propping him up for no reason, and he still has less Major Competitive Golds than Yagudin does, so again it still places him HIGHER than Plushenko.

    “I think you all give too much importance to medals.” – How else are you supposed to compare them?

    “Having the coherent respect to the clear difference of training conditions and food quality along history, Pluschenko is clearly the best ice skater of all simply because in his best physical condition he would clearly win any other skater in this list quite easily.” – You’re clearly one of the most delusional people on the planet, but then again you’d have to be to think Plushenko is all that great. Food has NOTHING to do with whether one wins or loses, nutjob. Sweety, Plushy-po’s built like an anorexic little girl with no muscle, which explains why his jumps aren’t high enough to complete rotation. And as already stated, he got his ass beat by Yagudin routinely so obviously he didn’t win at all up against someone on that list.

    “Anyway… this was about the “greatest” not about the “best” so my opinion maybe isn’t totally right for some people.” – It isn’t right based on FACTS, something that you Plushenko fans are very uncomfortable with – and greatest and best is the same thing, get a clue. “For me, the best is the greatest, I don’t care much about the past.” – To EVERYONE it is the same thing but you have no comprehension of either term because Plushenko ain’t nowhere near those two adjectives; and since all you’re basing your “opinion” on is the past, you’re contradicting yourself anyway,

    “Maybe Yagudin could eventually have better interpretation than Pluschenko in some ways, but most of the punctuation in this sport comes from technical difficulty and execution, and there, Pluschenko is a little step over Yagudin, that’s why he would always win against him (both) in a perfect condition.” – No moron, it comes from a combination of technique AND artistic ability, neither of which Plushenko has EVER had. And how could Yagudin EVENTUALLY be better at interpretation (artistry) when he was already better at it in the first place?! Plushenko’s never been a step above anybody and you’re a JOKE if you think he EVER won against Yagudin, especially in major competitions.
    “Evgeni is the best.His interpretation of the music is incomparable.No need to mention his flexibility!” – And your incompetency knows no bounds. His flexibility is disgusting and has no bearing on musicality (which he doesn’t have) or artistic talent (which he also doesn’t possess).
    “Yagudin was stronger than Plush artistically and technically it’s quite close.” – It’s not even close by the second. Yagudin’s got the highest triple-axel in the world, he did ALL the triple-jump combos PROPERLY before Plushenko ever learned how to do them without cheating them (which is why he would add the half 3-turn after the quads – that’s a cheat). Yagudin always pulled it together when it counted, Plushenko STILL makes stupid mistakes. “Shame about his hip injury – I reckon Yagudin still had another Olympic Gold in him, had he been healthy.” – He WAS healthy, that wasn’t an injury, he was born with the hip that way. Yagudin’s hip has since been replaced and he was going to reenter eligibility in 2007 but the Plush kiss-asses that are the Russian Federation wouldn’t give him permission.

  16. DelsuionsofDrabger
    Posted February 3, 2011 at 9:44 am

    \”Another “update” – Plushenko jumped and quadruple-triple-tirple jump combination!\” – What\’s your point? And he did that AFTER Yagudin already did it in practice at World\’s in 2002, which is LONG before Plushenko ever did it.
    \”He is probably in the front of Yagudin, because Plushenko won 2 medals at the Olympics (2002 – silver and 2006 – gold) … and preparing for the third Olympics and a medal! \” – Still means nothing considering he deserved NEITHER of those medals, since he made very stupid and very bad mistakes in both of those Olys. And the last medal that he got he whined about also (just like the one he got in 2002) because he can\’t handle losing, and yet that\’s all he ever did against Yagudin.
    \”I agree about Plushenko. I think that many gold medals besides “career longevity” are very important to be called Great athlete.\” – No, it has to do with judges propping him up for no reason, and he still has less Major Competitive Golds than Yagudin does, so again it still places him HIGHER than Plushenko.

    \”I think you all give too much importance to medals.\” – How else are you supposed to compare them?

    \”Having the coherent respect to the clear difference of training conditions and food quality along history, Pluschenko is clearly the best ice skater of all simply because in his best physical condition he would clearly win any other skater in this list quite easily.\” – You\’re clearly one of the most delusional people on the planet, but then again you\’d have to be to think Plushenko is all that great. Food has NOTHING to do with whether one wins or loses, nutjob. Sweety, Plushy-po\’s built like an anorexic little girl with no muscle, which explains why his jumps aren\’t high enough to complete rotation. And as already stated, he got his ass beat by Yagudin routinely so obviously he didn\’t win at all up against someone on that list.

    \”Anyway… this was about the “greatest” not about the “best” so my opinion maybe isn’t totally right for some people.\” – It isn\’t right based on FACTS, something that you Plushenko fans are very uncomfortable with – and greatest and best is the same thing, get a clue. \”For me, the best is the greatest, I don’t care much about the past.\” – To EVERYONE it is the same thing but you have no comprehension of either term because Plushenko ain\’t nowhere near those two adjectives; and since all you\’re basing your \”opinion\” on is the past, you\’re contradicting yourself anyway,

    \”Maybe Yagudin could eventually have better interpretation than Pluschenko in some ways, but most of the punctuation in this sport comes from technical difficulty and execution, and there, Pluschenko is a little step over Yagudin, that’s why he would always win against him (both) in a perfect condition.\” – No moron, it comes from a combination of technique AND artistic ability, neither of which Plushenko has EVER had. And how could Yagudin EVENTUALLY be better at interpretation (artistry) when he was already better at it in the first place?! Plushenko\’s never been a step above anybody and you\’re a JOKE if you think he EVER won against Yagudin, especially in major competitions.
    \”Evgeni is the best.His interpretation of the music is incomparable.No need to mention his flexibility!\” – And your incompetency knows no bounds. His flexibility is disgusting and has no bearing on musicality (which he doesn\’t have) or artistic talent (which he also doesn\’t possess).
    \”Yagudin was stronger than Plush artistically and technically it’s quite close.\” – It\’s not even close by the second. Yagudin\’s got the highest triple-axel in the world, he did ALL the triple-jump combos PROPERLY before Plushenko ever learned how to do them without cheating them (which is why he would add the half 3-turn after the quads – that\’s a cheat). Yagudin always pulled it together when it counted, Plushenko STILL makes stupid mistakes. \”Shame about his hip injury – I reckon Yagudin still had another Olympic Gold in him, had he been healthy.\” – He WAS healthy, that wasn\’t an injury, he was born with the hip that way. Yagudin\’s hip has since been replaced and he was going to reenter eligibility in 2007 but the Plush kiss-asses that are the Russian Federation wouldn\’t give him permission.

  17. DelsuionsofDrabger
    Posted February 3, 2011 at 9:45 am

    “Another “update” – Plushenko jumped and quadruple-triple-tirple jump combination!” – What’s your point? And he did that AFTER Yagudin already did it in practice at World’s in 2002, which is LONG before Plushenko ever did it.
    “He is probably in the front of Yagudin, because Plushenko won 2 medals at the Olympics (2002 – silver and 2006 – gold) … and preparing for the third Olympics and a medal! ” – Still means nothing considering he deserved NEITHER of those medals, since he made very stupid and very bad mistakes in both of those Olys. And the last medal that he got he whined about also (just like the one he got in 2002) because he can’t handle losing, and yet that’s all he ever did against Yagudin.
    “I agree about Plushenko. I think that many gold medals besides “career longevity” are very important to be called Great athlete.” – No, it has to do with judges propping him up for no reason, and he still has less Major Competitive Golds than Yagudin does, so again it still places him HIGHER than Plushenko.

    “I think you all give too much importance to medals.” – How else are you supposed to compare them?

    “Having the coherent respect to the clear difference of training conditions and food quality along history, Pluschenko is clearly the best ice skater of all simply because in his best physical condition he would clearly win any other skater in this list quite easily.” – You’re clearly one of the most delusional people on the planet, but then again you’d have to be to think Plushenko is all that great. Food has NOTHING to do with whether one wins or loses, nutjob. Sweety, Plushy-po’s built like an anorexic little girl with no muscle, which explains why his jumps aren’t high enough to complete rotation. And as already stated, he got his ass beat by Yagudin routinely so obviously he didn’t win at all up against someone on that list.

    “Anyway… this was about the “greatest” not about the “best” so my opinion maybe isn’t totally right for some people.” – It isn’t right based on FACTS, something that you Plushenko fans are very uncomfortable with – and greatest and best is the same thing, get a clue. “For me, the best is the greatest, I don’t care much about the past.” – To EVERYONE it is the same thing but you have no comprehension of either term because Plushenko ain’t nowhere near those two adjectives; and since all you’re basing your “opinion” on is the past, you’re contradicting yourself anyway,

    “Maybe Yagudin could eventually have better interpretation than Pluschenko in some ways, but most of the punctuation in this sport comes from technical difficulty and execution, and there, Pluschenko is a little step over Yagudin, that’s why he would always win against him (both) in a perfect condition.” – No moron, it comes from a combination of technique AND artistic ability, neither of which Plushenko has EVER had. And how could Yagudin EVENTUALLY be better at interpretation (artistry) when he was already better at it in the first place?! Plushenko’s never been a step above anybody and you’re a JOKE if you think he EVER won against Yagudin, especially in major competitions.

  18. Imanol
    Posted March 7, 2011 at 1:01 pm

    DelsuionsofDrabger…

    What a waste of effort and stupidity :D (i love people that uses CAPITAL LETTERS to give dramatism to their arguments. They sound more serious and worthy)

    This article starts like this:
    “The sport of figure skating does not only emphasize athleticism and technical perfection but also artistic expression.”

    Sport? This will be just my personal opinion, but that is why is so important, beleive me ;) .

    For me there are COMPETITIVE SPORTS (i use capital letters so my arguments are as important as yours…). Those are mainly sports that use fairly easy to measure data to find out who is the BEST. I think these are the only ones that deserve being called SPORTS because even if all the athlets spent all their life swimming in steroids, the fact is that this guy or that other guy ran the 100 meters in less time this or that day, and nobody can doubt that. As another example, tennis could be considered a real competitive sport because the role of the referee is just anecdotic most of the time when the eye hawk is used. One bad thing about REAL SPORTS is that many of them use to be quite boring very often.

    Then there are FUNNY SPORTS. These are not real competitive sports for me, but they are a lot more fun because they tend to be more polemic. These are football (referee opinion), soccer (referee opinion), basketball (referee opinion)… and many others (the less opinion in the measurement of the value, the more real competitive sport they become). The measure to find out who is the best is something a little bit more subjective but well… there are normally good statistics and things so you can give some quite objective opinions. These sports are quite amusing.

    Finally there are what i call PATHETICALLY FUNNY SPORTS. These are “sports” that have a quite coherent base as sport (in the figure skating, the athletic jumps and figures for example) but then they have something called “style” or “art” attached to their “value”. These are the sports to laught at. I enjoy laughing at their “athlets”, their “fans”, their “YOUS” (people like you that pretend to give coherent opinions when they are just talking shit). When you combine the evaluation of athletic jumps with artistry then the main concept of fair competitiveness goes deep into hell. What is more important? Where is the limit? Is it yours? Is it that from the russians? Is it what the swedish were thinking the 10th of November at 2 pm?

    Here, shit like the political interests come into the scene (like many times proven even while opympics). Shit like subjective aesthetic opinions kick you hard in your face. Those are things to laught at because they are not problems due to “how bad the human nature is”, they are problems due to the pathetic concept of a sport figure skating is.

    I find figure skating beautiful, but i save that for myself. Do you know what i think when i see Yagudin skate? I think… oh… i agree that my grandgrandmother would say… he is the best and most beautiful, but i think… wow, REALLY BORING. It’s like in the XXI century seeing a hyper-realist painter compared to someone throwing his breakfast to a canvas. There will be no consensus about who is the best “artist” but for me there is no doubt who is the funniest for this time.

    Do you know why i know Pluschenko is the BEST? I don’t care at all about the figure skating as sport, because i think figure skating IS NOT A SPORT. I think he is the best because his attitude is like when his SEX BOMB performance. He is the best because he laughts in the face of people like you, he really enjoys skating in a more opened way, not like the rancy old repressed way of “enjoying” Yagudin performs. I find Plushenkos style far more attractive than Yagudins without any doubt (you see? My opinion. But why is it less worthy? Because you are more rancid than me? Because i know nothing about “old” skating? I’m 56 years old.). And finally, Plushenko insist in the REAL SPORT side of the figure skating, the jumps and acrobatics. It was really pathetic and enjoying for me seeing Evan Lysacek winning the gold medal because he did a “very decent without big errors exercise” (not even trying a quadruple) (and because politic reasons maybe, who knows). This demonstrate figure skating is just a funny circus with quite beautiful performances ;) .

    And now i ask you:
    - What is more difficult, training yourself so your body can perform a quadruple and more in competition with the bigger probability of injure yourself and less time to train other aspects of the “sport”, or performing a “cute” exercise?
    - What is considered in sports, what you achieve in competition or outside competition? Plushenko was first to achieve 4-3-3 and 3-3-3-2 in competition, Yagudin WASN’T. Why did Yagudin not do Quadruple-triple-triples all the time after achieving it NOT IN COMPETITION? Wasn’t it “ARTISTIC”?
    - Why Plushenkos flexibility is DISGUSTING? Are you serious? Because you and many other idiots say it? I really laught at you.

    Why PLUSCHENKO is BEST?

    BECAUSE HE LAUGHTS IN YOUR FACE and In YOUR “SPORT” my little PATHETIC SERIOUS OPINION GIVER :D
    Have a good time ^^.

  19. Imanol
    Posted March 7, 2011 at 1:02 pm

    DelsuionsofDrabger…

    What a waste of effort and stupidity :D (i love people that uses CAPITAL LETTERS to give dramatism to their arguments. They sound more serious and worthy)

    This article starts like this:
    \”The sport of figure skating does not only emphasize athleticism and technical perfection but also artistic expression.\”

    Sport? This will be just my personal opinion, but that is why is so important, beleive me ;) .

    For me there are COMPETITIVE SPORTS (i use capital letters so my arguments are as important as yours…). Those are mainly sports that use fairly easy to measure data to find out who is the BEST. I think these are the only ones that deserve being called SPORTS because even if all the athlets spent all their life swimming in steroids, the fact is that this guy or that other guy ran the 100 meters in less time this or that day, and nobody can doubt that. As another example, tennis could be considered a real competitive sport because the role of the referee is just anecdotic most of the time when the eye hawk is used. One bad thing about REAL SPORTS is that many of them use to be quite boring very often.

    Then there are FUNNY SPORTS. These are not real competitive sports for me, but they are a lot more fun because they tend to be more polemic. These are football (referee opinion), soccer (referee opinion), basketball (referee opinion)… and many others (the less opinion in the measurement of the value, the more real competitive sport they become). The measure to find out who is the best is something a little bit more subjective but well… there are normally good statistics and things so you can give some quite objective opinions. These sports are quite amusing.

    Finally there are what i call PATHETICALLY FUNNY SPORTS. These are \”sports\” that have a quite coherent base as sport (in the figure skating, the athletic jumps and figures for example) but then they have something called \”style\” or \”art\” attached to their \”value\”. These are the sports to laught at. I enjoy laughing at their \”athlets\”, their \”fans\”, their \”YOUS\” (people like you that pretend to give coherent opinions when they are just talking shit). When you combine the evaluation of athletic jumps with artistry then the main concept of fair competitiveness goes deep into hell. What is more important? Where is the limit? Is it yours? Is it that from the russians? Is it what the swedish were thinking the 10th of November at 2 pm?

    Here, shit like the political interests come into the scene (like many times proven even while opympics). Shit like subjective aesthetic opinions kick you hard in your face. Those are things to laught at because they are not problems due to \”how bad the human nature is\”, they are problems due to the pathetic concept of a sport figure skating is.

    I find figure skating beautiful, but i save that for myself. Do you know what i think when i see Yagudin skate? I think… oh… i agree that my grandgrandmother would say… he is the best and most beautiful, but i think… wow, REALLY BORING. It\’s like in the XXI century seeing a hyper-realist painter compared to someone throwing his breakfast to a canvas. There will be no consensus about who is the best \”artist\” but for me there is no doubt who is the funniest for this time.

    Do you know why i know Pluschenko is the BEST? I don\’t care at all about the figure skating as sport, because i think figure skating IS NOT A SPORT. I think he is the best because his attitude is like when his SEX BOMB performance. He is the best because he laughts in the face of people like you, he really enjoys skating in a more opened way, not like the rancy old repressed way of \”enjoying\” Yagudin performs. I find Plushenkos style far more attractive than Yagudins without any doubt (you see? My opinion. But why is it less worthy? Because you are more rancid than me? Because i know nothing about \”old\” skating? I\’m 56 years old.). And finally, Plushenko insist in the REAL SPORT side of the figure skating, the jumps and acrobatics. It was really pathetic and enjoying for me seeing Evan Lysacek winning the gold medal because he did a \”very decent without big errors exercise\” (not even trying a quadruple) (and because politic reasons maybe, who knows). This demonstrate figure skating is just a funny circus with quite beautiful performances ;) .

    And now i ask you:
    - What is more difficult, training yourself so your body can perform a quadruple and more in competition with the bigger probability of injure yourself and less time to train other aspects of the \”sport\”, or performing a \”cute\” exercise?
    - What is considered in sports, what you achieve in competition or outside competition? Plushenko was first to achieve 4-3-3 and 3-3-3-2 in competition, Yagudin WASN\’T. Why did Yagudin not do Quadruple-triple-triples all the time after achieving it NOT IN COMPETITION? Wasn\’t it \”ARTISTIC\”?
    - Why Plushenkos flexibility is DISGUSTING? Are you serious? Because you and many other idiots say it? I really laught at you.

    Why PLUSCHENKO is BEST?

    BECAUSE HE LAUGHTS IN YOUR FACE and In YOUR \”SPORT\” my little PATHETIC SERIOUS OPINION GIVER :D
    Have a good time ^^.

  20. Imanol
    Posted March 7, 2011 at 1:05 pm

    DelsuionsofDrabger…

    What a waste of effort and stupidity :D (i love people that uses CAPITAL LETTERS to give dramatism to their arguments. They sound more serious and worthy)

    This article starts like this:
    ”The sport of figure skating does not only emphasize athleticism and technical perfection but also artistic expression.”

    Sport? This will be just my personal opinion, but that is why is so important, beleive me ;) .

    For me there are COMPETITIVE SPORTS (i use capital letters so my arguments are as important as yours…). Those are mainly sports that use fairly easy to measure data to find out who is the BEST. I think these are the only ones that deserve being called SPORTS because even if all the athlets spent all their life swimming in steroids, the fact is that this guy or that other guy ran the 100 meters in less time this or that day, and nobody can doubt that. As another example, tennis could be considered a real competitive sport because the role of the referee is just anecdotic most of the time when the eye hawk is used. One bad thing about REAL SPORTS is that many of them use to be quite boring very often.

    Then there are FUNNY SPORTS. These are not real competitive sports for me, but they are a lot more fun because they tend to be more polemic. These are football (referee opinion), soccer (referee opinion), basketball (referee opinion)… and many others (the less opinion in the measurement of the value, the more real competitive sport they become). The measure to find out who is the best is something a little bit more subjective but well… there are normally good statistics and things so you can give some quite objective opinions. These sports are quite amusing.

    Finally there are what i call PATHETICALLY FUNNY SPORTS. These are ‘’sports” that have a quite coherent base as sport (in the figure skating, the athletic jumps and figures for example) but then they have something called ‘’style” or ”art” attached to their ”value”. These are the sports to laught at. I enjoy laughing at their ”athlets”, their ”fans”, their ”YOUS” (people like you that pretend to give coherent opinions when they are just talking shit). When you combine the evaluation of athletic jumps with artistry then the main concept of fair competitiveness goes deep into hell. What is more important? Where is the limit? Is it yours? Is it that from the russians? Is it what the swedish were thinking the 10th of November at 2 pm?

    Here, shit like the political interests come into the scene (like many times proven even while opympics). Shit like subjective aesthetic opinions kick you hard in your face. Those are things to laught at because they are not problems due to ”how bad the human nature is”, they are problems due to the pathetic concept of a sport figure skating is.

    I find figure skating beautiful, but i save that for myself. Do you know what i think when i see Yagudin skate? I think… oh… i agree that my grandgrandmother would say… he is the best and most beautiful, but i think… wow, REALLY BORING. It’s like in the XXI century seeing a hyper-realist painter compared to someone throwing his breakfast to a canvas. There will be no consensus about who is the best ”artist” but for me there is no doubt who is the funniest for this time.

    Do you know why i know Pluschenko is the BEST? I don’t care at all about the figure skating as sport, because i think figure skating IS NOT A SPORT. I think he is the best because his attitude is like when his SEX BOMB performance. He is the best because he laughts in the face of people like you, he really enjoys skating in a more opened way, not like the rancy old repressed way of ”enjoying” Yagudin performs. I find Plushenkos style far more attractive than Yagudins without any doubt (you see? My opinion. But why is it less worthy? Because you are more rancid than me? Because i know nothing about ”old” skating? I’m 56 years old.). And finally, Plushenko insist in the REAL SPORT side of the figure skating, the jumps and acrobatics. It was really pathetic and enjoying for me seeing Evan Lysacek winning the gold medal because he did a ”very decent without big errors exercise” (not even trying a quadruple) (and because politic reasons maybe, who knows). This demonstrate figure skating is just a funny circus with quite beautiful performances ;) .

    And now i ask you:
    - What is more difficult, training yourself so your body can perform a quadruple and more in competition with the bigger probability of injure yourself and less time to train other aspects of the ‘’sport”, or performing a ”cute” exercise?
    - What is considered in sports, what you achieve in competition or outside competition? Plushenko was first to achieve 4-3-3 and 3-3-3-2 in competition, Yagudin WASN’T. Why did Yagudin not do Quadruple-triple-triples all the time after achieving it NOT IN COMPETITION? Wasn’t it ”ARTISTIC”?
    - Why Plushenkos flexibility is DISGUSTING? Are you serious? Because you and many other idiots say it? I really laught at you.

    Why PLUSCHENKO is BEST?

    BECAUSE HE LAUGHTS IN YOUR FACE and In YOUR ”SPORT” my little PATHETIC SERIOUS OPINION GIVER :D
    Have a good time ^^.

  21. ilovethemboth
    Posted May 19, 2011 at 8:38 am

    @DelsuionsofDrabger

    “And he did that AFTER Yagudin already did it in practice at World\’s in 2002, which is LONG before Plushenko ever did it.”

    Incorrect: Plushenko attempted the 4-3-3 as the opening jumping pass of his long program in Salt Lake City (before Worlds in 2002). He did not get credit for the combination because he couldn’t hold the landing of the 3Lo.

    “Still means nothing considering he deserved NEITHER of those medals, since he made very stupid and very bad mistakes in both of those Olys. And the last medal that he got he whined about also (just like the one he got in 2002) because he can\’t handle losing, and yet that\’s all he ever did against Yagudin.”

    ……Excuse me, what? There can be no doubt he deserved silver at SLC – in spite of the bad fall in the SP his LP was simply fantastic, a true example of putting everything into a performance. Yagudin was simply flawless. If he was unhappy about silver, it was because he lost to his great rival on the biggest stage of all. Wouldn’t you be a touch upset also? I’m curious to know what bad mistake he made in your eyes at Turin. There could be no doubt he was the best skater there. As for Vancouver…Plushenko was expressing his displeasure about the scoring system. A lot of his “whining” was misquoting by the American press.

    And he only ever lost to Yagudin? Oh, I see…another deluded Yagudin fan who believes the 2000-2001 season never existed!

    “No, it has to do with judges propping him up for no reason, and he still has less Major Competitive Golds than Yagudin does, so again it still places him HIGHER than Plushenko.”

    The judges don’t “prop him up for no reason”. They mark the best skater in the world according to how he skated. If someone’s popping off 4T-3T-2Lo combos of course they’re going to be marked higher than someone who isn’t. Your argument makes no sense…

    “Sweety, Plushy-po\’s built like an anorexic little girl with no muscle, which explains why his jumps aren\’t high enough to complete rotation. And as already stated, he got his ass beat by Yagudin routinely so obviously he didn\’t win at all up against someone on that list.”

    Actually, take a closer look at pictures of Plushenko from late 2000- late 2004. He was INCREDIBLY muscular, especially through his backside and thighs. His top half wasn’t exactly limp noodle either. If you look at his pictures now, he’s getting the same figure again, which is ominous for his opponents. And do please point out which of Plushenko’s jumps were under-rotated. I’ve never seen him called UR in his senior career. He gets lovely height.

    And once again, you’ve erased 2000-2001 from your brainbox…

    “No moron, it comes from a combination of technique AND artistic ability, neither of which Plushenko has EVER had. And how could Yagudin EVENTUALLY be better at interpretation (artistry) when he was already better at it in the first place?! Plushenko\’s never been a step above anybody and you\’re a JOKE if you think he EVER won against Yagudin, especially in major competitions.”

    I’m sorry, I just burst out laughing here. Look, Yagudin’s probably the best artist the sport has ever had. And he’s one of the technical greats as well. But I’m sorry, saying that Plushenko has NEVER had technique or artistry? Sure, I agree Plushenko’s artistry is not for everyone. But TECHNIQUE? Are you honestly saying a skater that can jump four different quads (alone and in combination) is deficient in TECHNIQUE?

    You’re the joke here pal. Oh, and by the way, that tricky erasing memory of yours is coming into play again…GPF 2000? Worlds 2001? Any of those ringing a bell for you?

    “And your incompetency knows no bounds. His flexibility is disgusting and has no bearing on musicality (which he doesn\’t have) or artistic talent (which he also doesn\’t possess).”

    How is flexibility disgusting? I’m confused. To attain and maintain flexibility takes incredible work. So Plushenko was flexible and used it to his advantage. How on earth is that disgusting?

    Also, lack of musicality? Lack of artistry? Have you watched Saint Petersburg 300 (particularly 2002 GPF final version) or Tribute to Nijinsky (2003 Artur Dimitriev show version or 2004 Russian Nationals version)?

    “It\’s not even close by the second. Yagudin\’s got the highest triple-axel in the world, he did ALL the triple-jump combos PROPERLY before Plushenko ever learned how to do them without cheating them (which is why he would add the half 3-turn after the quads – that\’s a cheat). Yagudin always pulled it together when it counted, Plushenko STILL makes stupid mistakes.”

    This argument doesn’t even make sense. Who gives a toss about the height of a jump, as long as it’s fully rotated and landed cleanly? (And I can give you the name of a skater with a 3A MILES better than Yagudin’s or Plushenko’s – Ilia Kulik.)

    I’ve never seen this “half 3-turn” you claim to be seeing…but then again I adore both Yagudin and Plushenko and have never looked upon either with such rabid hate as you display.

    “He WAS healthy, that wasn\’t an injury, he was born with the hip that way. Yagudin\’s hip has since been replaced and he was going to reenter eligibility in 2007 but the Plush kiss-asses that are the Russian Federation wouldn\’t give him permission.”

    How can you call yourself a Yagudin fan and perpetuate that lie? Yagudin had a major injury to his hip in late 2002 – it’s called a hairline fracture, idiot. Yagudin was going to re-enter eligibility in 2007 but he stopped OF HIS OWN ACCORD, not because anyone else stopped him. He couldn’t do the quad without major pain. Now he’s lost half his triples because of the major pain. He wasn’t prevented from making a comeback by the federation – he was prevented from making a comeback by the physical limitations imposed on him by his body. I would have given anything to see him and Plushenko head to head again (and I’m fairly sure they would both enjoy it) but Yagudin’s body hasn’t held out. Now I simply cherish every show performance of Yagudin’s, knowing that with every year we get closer to the time where he won’t be able to skate anymore.

    And I think the Russian skating federation’s behaviour to Plushenko over the last couple of years has PROVED they are not kiss-asses.

    You are a gigantic dumbass and I’m sure Yagudin would be ashamed that you call yourself his fan.

  22. ilovethemboth
    Posted May 19, 2011 at 8:39 am

    @DelsuionsofDrabger

    \”And he did that AFTER Yagudin already did it in practice at World\\’s in 2002, which is LONG before Plushenko ever did it.\”

    Incorrect: Plushenko attempted the 4-3-3 as the opening jumping pass of his long program in Salt Lake City (before Worlds in 2002). He did not get credit for the combination because he couldn\’t hold the landing of the 3Lo.

    \”Still means nothing considering he deserved NEITHER of those medals, since he made very stupid and very bad mistakes in both of those Olys. And the last medal that he got he whined about also (just like the one he got in 2002) because he can\\’t handle losing, and yet that\\’s all he ever did against Yagudin.\”

    ……Excuse me, what? There can be no doubt he deserved silver at SLC – in spite of the bad fall in the SP his LP was simply fantastic, a true example of putting everything into a performance. Yagudin was simply flawless. If he was unhappy about silver, it was because he lost to his great rival on the biggest stage of all. Wouldn\’t you be a touch upset also? I\’m curious to know what bad mistake he made in your eyes at Turin. There could be no doubt he was the best skater there. As for Vancouver…Plushenko was expressing his displeasure about the scoring system. A lot of his \”whining\” was misquoting by the American press.

    And he only ever lost to Yagudin? Oh, I see…another deluded Yagudin fan who believes the 2000-2001 season never existed!

    \”No, it has to do with judges propping him up for no reason, and he still has less Major Competitive Golds than Yagudin does, so again it still places him HIGHER than Plushenko.\”

    The judges don\’t \”prop him up for no reason\”. They mark the best skater in the world according to how he skated. If someone\’s popping off 4T-3T-2Lo combos of course they\’re going to be marked higher than someone who isn\’t. Your argument makes no sense…

    \”Sweety, Plushy-po\\’s built like an anorexic little girl with no muscle, which explains why his jumps aren\\’t high enough to complete rotation. And as already stated, he got his ass beat by Yagudin routinely so obviously he didn\\’t win at all up against someone on that list.\”

    Actually, take a closer look at pictures of Plushenko from late 2000- late 2004. He was INCREDIBLY muscular, especially through his backside and thighs. His top half wasn\’t exactly limp noodle either. If you look at his pictures now, he\’s getting the same figure again, which is ominous for his opponents. And do please point out which of Plushenko\’s jumps were under-rotated. I\’ve never seen him called UR in his senior career. He gets lovely height.

    And once again, you\’ve erased 2000-2001 from your brainbox…

    \”No moron, it comes from a combination of technique AND artistic ability, neither of which Plushenko has EVER had. And how could Yagudin EVENTUALLY be better at interpretation (artistry) when he was already better at it in the first place?! Plushenko\\’s never been a step above anybody and you\\’re a JOKE if you think he EVER won against Yagudin, especially in major competitions.\”

    I\’m sorry, I just burst out laughing here. Look, Yagudin\’s probably the best artist the sport has ever had. And he\’s one of the technical greats as well. But I\’m sorry, saying that Plushenko has NEVER had technique or artistry? Sure, I agree Plushenko\’s artistry is not for everyone. But TECHNIQUE? Are you honestly saying a skater that can jump four different quads (alone and in combination) is deficient in TECHNIQUE?

    You\’re the joke here pal. Oh, and by the way, that tricky erasing memory of yours is coming into play again…GPF 2000? Worlds 2001? Any of those ringing a bell for you?

    \”And your incompetency knows no bounds. His flexibility is disgusting and has no bearing on musicality (which he doesn\\’t have) or artistic talent (which he also doesn\\’t possess).\”

    How is flexibility disgusting? I\’m confused. To attain and maintain flexibility takes incredible work. So Plushenko was flexible and used it to his advantage. How on earth is that disgusting?

    Also, lack of musicality? Lack of artistry? Have you watched Saint Petersburg 300 (particularly 2002 GPF final version) or Tribute to Nijinsky (2003 Artur Dimitriev show version or 2004 Russian Nationals version)?

    \”It\\’s not even close by the second. Yagudin\\’s got the highest triple-axel in the world, he did ALL the triple-jump combos PROPERLY before Plushenko ever learned how to do them without cheating them (which is why he would add the half 3-turn after the quads – that\\’s a cheat). Yagudin always pulled it together when it counted, Plushenko STILL makes stupid mistakes.\”

    This argument doesn\’t even make sense. Who gives a toss about the height of a jump, as long as it\’s fully rotated and landed cleanly? (And I can give you the name of a skater with a 3A MILES better than Yagudin\’s or Plushenko\’s – Ilia Kulik.)

    I\’ve never seen this \”half 3-turn\” you claim to be seeing…but then again I adore both Yagudin and Plushenko and have never looked upon either with such rabid hate as you display.

    \”He WAS healthy, that wasn\\’t an injury, he was born with the hip that way. Yagudin\\’s hip has since been replaced and he was going to reenter eligibility in 2007 but the Plush kiss-asses that are the Russian Federation wouldn\\’t give him permission.\”

    How can you call yourself a Yagudin fan and perpetuate that lie? Yagudin had a major injury to his hip in late 2002 – it\’s called a hairline fracture, idiot. Yagudin was going to re-enter eligibility in 2007 but he stopped OF HIS OWN ACCORD, not because anyone else stopped him. He couldn\’t do the quad without major pain. Now he\’s lost half his triples because of the major pain. He wasn\’t prevented from making a comeback by the federation – he was prevented from making a comeback by the physical limitations imposed on him by his body. I would have given anything to see him and Plushenko head to head again (and I\’m fairly sure they would both enjoy it) but Yagudin\’s body hasn\’t held out. Now I simply cherish every show performance of Yagudin\’s, knowing that with every year we get closer to the time where he won\’t be able to skate anymore.

    And I think the Russian skating federation\’s behaviour to Plushenko over the last couple of years has PROVED they are not kiss-asses.

    You are a gigantic dumbass and I\’m sure Yagudin would be ashamed that you call yourself his fan.

  23. ilovethemboth
    Posted May 19, 2011 at 8:43 am

    @DelsuionsofDrabger

    \\\”And he did that AFTER Yagudin already did it in practice at World\\\\’s in 2002, which is LONG before Plushenko ever did it.\\\”

    Incorrect: Plushenko attempted the 4-3-3 as the opening jumping pass of his long program in Salt Lake City (before Worlds in 2002). He did not get credit for the combination because he couldn\\\’t hold the landing of the 3Lo.

    \\\”Still means nothing considering he deserved NEITHER of those medals, since he made very stupid and very bad mistakes in both of those Olys. And the last medal that he got he whined about also (just like the one he got in 2002) because he can\\\\’t handle losing, and yet that\\\\’s all he ever did against Yagudin.\\\”

    ……Excuse me, what? There can be no doubt he deserved silver at SLC – in spite of the bad fall in the SP his LP was simply fantastic, a true example of putting everything into a performance. Yagudin was simply flawless. If he was unhappy about silver, it was because he lost to his great rival on the biggest stage of all. Wouldn\\\’t you be a touch upset also? I\\\’m curious to know what bad mistake he made in your eyes at Turin. There could be no doubt he was the best skater there. As for Vancouver…Plushenko was expressing his displeasure about the scoring system. A lot of his \\\”whining\\\” was misquoting by the American press.

    And he only ever lost to Yagudin? Oh, I see…another deluded Yagudin fan who believes the 2000-2001 season never existed!

    \\\”No, it has to do with judges propping him up for no reason, and he still has less Major Competitive Golds than Yagudin does, so again it still places him HIGHER than Plushenko.\\\”

    The judges don\\\’t \\\”prop him up for no reason\\\”. They mark the best skater in the world according to how he skated. If someone\\\’s popping off 4T-3T-2Lo combos of course they\\\’re going to be marked higher than someone who isn\\\’t. Your argument makes no sense…

    \\\”Sweety, Plushy-po\\\\’s built like an anorexic little girl with no muscle, which explains why his jumps aren\\\\’t high enough to complete rotation. And as already stated, he got his ass beat by Yagudin routinely so obviously he didn\\\\’t win at all up against someone on that list.\\\”

    Actually, take a closer look at pictures of Plushenko from late 2000- late 2004. He was INCREDIBLY muscular, especially through his backside and thighs. His top half wasn\\\’t exactly limp noodle either. If you look at his pictures now, he\\\’s getting the same figure again, which is ominous for his opponents. And do please point out which of Plushenko\\\’s jumps were under-rotated. I\\\’ve never seen him called UR in his senior career. He gets lovely height.

    And once again, you\\\’ve erased 2000-2001 from your brainbox…

    \\\”No moron, it comes from a combination of technique AND artistic ability, neither of which Plushenko has EVER had. And how could Yagudin EVENTUALLY be better at interpretation (artistry) when he was already better at it in the first place?! Plushenko\\\\’s never been a step above anybody and you\\\\’re a JOKE if you think he EVER won against Yagudin, especially in major competitions.\\\”

    I\\\’m sorry, I just burst out laughing here. Look, Yagudin\\\’s probably the best artist the sport has ever had. And he\\\’s one of the technical greats as well. But I\\\’m sorry, saying that Plushenko has NEVER had technique or artistry? Sure, I agree Plushenko\\\’s artistry is not for everyone. But TECHNIQUE? Are you honestly saying a skater that can jump four different quads (alone and in combination) is deficient in TECHNIQUE?

    You\\\’re the joke here pal. Oh, and by the way, that tricky erasing memory of yours is coming into play again…GPF 2000? Worlds 2001? Any of those ringing a bell for you?

    \\\”And your incompetency knows no bounds. His flexibility is disgusting and has no bearing on musicality (which he doesn\\\\’t have) or artistic talent (which he also doesn\\\\’t possess).\\\”

    How is flexibility disgusting? I\\\’m confused. To attain and maintain flexibility takes incredible work. So Plushenko was flexible and used it to his advantage. How on earth is that disgusting?

    Also, lack of musicality? Lack of artistry? Have you watched Saint Petersburg 300 (particularly 2002 GPF final version) or Tribute to Nijinsky (2003 Artur Dimitriev show version or 2004 Russian Nationals version)?

    \\\”It\\\\’s not even close by the second. Yagudin\\\\’s got the highest triple-axel in the world, he did ALL the triple-jump combos PROPERLY before Plushenko ever learned how to do them without cheating them (which is why he would add the half 3-turn after the quads – that\\\\’s a cheat). Yagudin always pulled it together when it counted, Plushenko STILL makes stupid mistakes.\\\”

    This argument doesn\\\’t even make sense. Who gives a toss about the height of a jump, as long as it\\\’s fully rotated and landed cleanly? (And I can give you the name of a skater with a 3A MILES better than Yagudin\\\’s or Plushenko\\\’s – Ilia Kulik.)

    I\\\’ve never seen this \\\”half 3-turn\\\” you claim to be seeing…but then again I adore both Yagudin and Plushenko and have never looked upon either with such rabid hate as you display.

    \\\”He WAS healthy, that wasn\\\\’t an injury, he was born with the hip that way. Yagudin\\\\’s hip has since been replaced and he was going to reenter eligibility in 2007 but the Plush kiss-asses that are the Russian Federation wouldn\\\\’t give him permission.\\\”

    How can you call yourself a Yagudin fan and perpetuate that lie? Yagudin had a major injury to his hip in late 2002 – it\\\’s called a hairline fracture, idiot. Yagudin was going to re-enter eligibility in 2007 but he stopped OF HIS OWN ACCORD, not because anyone else stopped him. He couldn\\\’t do the quad without major pain. Now he\\\’s lost half his triples because of the major pain. He wasn\\\’t prevented from making a comeback by the federation – he was prevented from making a comeback by the physical limitations imposed on him by his body. I would have given anything to see him and Plushenko head to head again (and I\\\’m fairly sure they would both enjoy it) but Yagudin\\\’s body hasn\\\’t held out. Now I simply cherish every show performance of Yagudin\\\’s, knowing that with every year we get closer to the time where he won\\\’t be able to skate anymore.

    And I think the Russian skating federation\\\’s behaviour to Plushenko over the last couple of years has PROVED they are not kiss-asses.

    You are a gigantic dumbass and I\\\’m sure Yagudin would be ashamed that you call yourself his fan.

  24. ilovethemboth
    Posted May 19, 2011 at 8:44 am

    @DelsuionsofDrabger

    \\\\\\\”And he did that AFTER Yagudin already did it in practice at World\\\\\\\\’s in 2002, which is LONG before Plushenko ever did it.\\\\\\\”

    Incorrect: Plushenko attempted the 4-3-3 as the opening jumping pass of his long program in Salt Lake City (before Worlds in 2002). He did not get credit for the combination because he couldn\\\\\\\’t hold the landing of the 3Lo.

    \\\\\\\”Still means nothing considering he deserved NEITHER of those medals, since he made very stupid and very bad mistakes in both of those Olys. And the last medal that he got he whined about also (just like the one he got in 2002) because he can\\\\\\\\’t handle losing, and yet that\\\\\\\\’s all he ever did against Yagudin.\\\\\\\”

    ……Excuse me, what? There can be no doubt he deserved silver at SLC – in spite of the bad fall in the SP his LP was simply fantastic, a true example of putting everything into a performance. Yagudin was simply flawless. If he was unhappy about silver, it was because he lost to his great rival on the biggest stage of all. Wouldn\\\\\\\’t you be a touch upset also? I\\\\\\\’m curious to know what bad mistake he made in your eyes at Turin. There could be no doubt he was the best skater there. As for Vancouver…Plushenko was expressing his displeasure about the scoring system. A lot of his \\\\\\\”whining\\\\\\\” was misquoting by the American press.

    And he only ever lost to Yagudin? Oh, I see…another deluded Yagudin fan who believes the 2000-2001 season never existed!

    \\\\\\\”No, it has to do with judges propping him up for no reason, and he still has less Major Competitive Golds than Yagudin does, so again it still places him HIGHER than Plushenko.\\\\\\\”

    The judges don\\\\\\\’t \\\\\\\”prop him up for no reason\\\\\\\”. They mark the best skater in the world according to how he skated. If someone\\\\\\\’s popping off 4T-3T-2Lo combos of course they\\\\\\\’re going to be marked higher than someone who isn\\\\\\\’t. Your argument makes no sense…

    \\\\\\\”Sweety, Plushy-po\\\\\\\\’s built like an anorexic little girl with no muscle, which explains why his jumps aren\\\\\\\\’t high enough to complete rotation. And as already stated, he got his ass beat by Yagudin routinely so obviously he didn\\\\\\\\’t win at all up against someone on that list.\\\\\\\”

    Actually, take a closer look at pictures of Plushenko from late 2000- late 2004. He was INCREDIBLY muscular, especially through his backside and thighs. His top half wasn\\\\\\\’t exactly limp noodle either. If you look at his pictures now, he\\\\\\\’s getting the same figure again, which is ominous for his opponents. And do please point out which of Plushenko\\\\\\\’s jumps were under-rotated. I\\\\\\\’ve never seen him called UR in his senior career. He gets lovely height.

    And once again, you\\\\\\\’ve erased 2000-2001 from your brainbox…

    \\\\\\\”No moron, it comes from a combination of technique AND artistic ability, neither of which Plushenko has EVER had. And how could Yagudin EVENTUALLY be better at interpretation (artistry) when he was already better at it in the first place?! Plushenko\\\\\\\\’s never been a step above anybody and you\\\\\\\\’re a JOKE if you think he EVER won against Yagudin, especially in major competitions.\\\\\\\”

    I\\\\\\\’m sorry, I just burst out laughing here. Look, Yagudin\\\\\\\’s probably the best artist the sport has ever had. And he\\\\\\\’s one of the technical greats as well. But I\\\\\\\’m sorry, saying that Plushenko has NEVER had technique or artistry? Sure, I agree Plushenko\\\\\\\’s artistry is not for everyone. But TECHNIQUE? Are you honestly saying a skater that can jump four different quads (alone and in combination) is deficient in TECHNIQUE?

    You\\\\\\\’re the joke here pal. Oh, and by the way, that tricky erasing memory of yours is coming into play again…GPF 2000? Worlds 2001? Any of those ringing a bell for you?

    \\\\\\\”And your incompetency knows no bounds. His flexibility is disgusting and has no bearing on musicality (which he doesn\\\\\\\\’t have) or artistic talent (which he also doesn\\\\\\\\’t possess).\\\\\\\”

    How is flexibility disgusting? I\\\\\\\’m confused. To attain and maintain flexibility takes incredible work. So Plushenko was flexible and used it to his advantage. How on earth is that disgusting?

    Also, lack of musicality? Lack of artistry? Have you watched Saint Petersburg 300 (particularly 2002 GPF final version) or Tribute to Nijinsky (2003 Artur Dimitriev show version or 2004 Russian Nationals version)?

    \\\\\\\”It\\\\\\\\’s not even close by the second. Yagudin\\\\\\\\’s got the highest triple-axel in the world, he did ALL the triple-jump combos PROPERLY before Plushenko ever learned how to do them without cheating them (which is why he would add the half 3-turn after the quads – that\\\\\\\\’s a cheat). Yagudin always pulled it together when it counted, Plushenko STILL makes stupid mistakes.\\\\\\\”

    This argument doesn\\\\\\\’t even make sense. Who gives a toss about the height of a jump, as long as it\\\\\\\’s fully rotated and landed cleanly? (And I can give you the name of a skater with a 3A MILES better than Yagudin\\\\\\\’s or Plushenko\\\\\\\’s – Ilia Kulik.)

    I\\\\\\\’ve never seen this \\\\\\\”half 3-turn\\\\\\\” you claim to be seeing…but then again I adore both Yagudin and Plushenko and have never looked upon either with such rabid hate as you display.

    \\\\\\\”He WAS healthy, that wasn\\\\\\\\’t an injury, he was born with the hip that way. Yagudin\\\\\\\\’s hip has since been replaced and he was going to reenter eligibility in 2007 but the Plush kiss-asses that are the Russian Federation wouldn\\\\\\\\’t give him permission.\\\\\\\”

    How can you call yourself a Yagudin fan and perpetuate that lie? Yagudin had a major injury to his hip in late 2002 – it\\\\\\\’s called a hairline fracture, idiot. Yagudin was going to re-enter eligibility in 2007 but he stopped OF HIS OWN ACCORD, not because anyone else stopped him. He couldn\\\\\\\’t do the quad without major pain. Now he\\\\\\\’s lost half his triples because of the major pain. He wasn\\\\\\\’t prevented from making a comeback by the federation – he was prevented from making a comeback by the physical limitations imposed on him by his body. I would have given anything to see him and Plushenko head to head again (and I\\\\\\\’m fairly sure they would both enjoy it) but Yagudin\\\\\\\’s body hasn\\\\\\\’t held out. Now I simply cherish every show performance of Yagudin\\\\\\\’s, knowing that with every year we get closer to the time where he won\\\\\\\’t be able to skate anymore.

    And I think the Russian skating federation\\\\\\\’s behaviour to Plushenko over the last couple of years has PROVED they are not kiss-asses.

    You are a gigantic dumbass and I\\\\\\\’m sure Yagudin would be ashamed that you call yourself his fan.

  25. ilovethemboth
    Posted May 19, 2011 at 8:51 am

    @DelsuionsofDrabger

    -And he did that AFTER Yagudin already did it in practice at Worlds in 2002, which is LONG before Plushenko ever did it.-

    Incorrect: Plushenko attempted the 4-3-3 as the opening jumping pass of his long program in Salt Lake City (before Worlds in 2002). He did not get credit for the combination because he couldnt hold the landing of the 3Lo.

    -Still means nothing considering he deserved NEITHER of those medals, since he made very stupid and very bad mistakes in both of those Olys. And the last medal that he got he whined about also (just like the one he got in 2002) because he cant handle losing, and yet thats all he ever did against Yagudin.-

    ……Excuse me, what? There can be no doubt he deserved silver at SLC – in spite of the bad fall in the SP his LP was simply fantastic, a true example of putting everything into a performance. Yagudin was simply flawless. If he was unhappy about silver, it was because he lost to his great rival on the biggest stage of all. Wouldnt you be a touch upset also? Im curious to know what bad mistake he made in your eyes at Turin. There could be no doubt he was the best skater there. As for Vancouver…Plushenko was expressing his displeasure about the scoring system. A lot of his -whining- was misquoting by the American press.

    And he only ever lost to Yagudin? Oh, I see…another deluded Yagudin fan who believes the 2000-2001 season never existed!

    -No, it has to do with judges propping him up for no reason, and he still has less Major Competitive Golds than Yagudin does, so again it still places him HIGHER than Plushenko.-

    The judges dont -prop him up for no reason-. They mark the best skater in the world according to how he skated. If someone is popping off 4T-3T-2Lo combos of course they’re going to be marked higher than someone who isnt.. Your argument makes no sense…

    -Sweety, Plushy-pos built like an anorexic little girl with no muscle, which explains why his jumps arent high enough to complete rotation. And as already stated, he got his ass beat by Yagudin routinely so obviously he didnt win at all up against someone on that list.-

    Actually, take a closer look at pictures of Plushenko from late 2000- late 2004. He was INCREDIBLY muscular, especially through his backside and thighs. His top half wasnt exactly limp noodle either. If you look at his pictures now, hes getting the same figure again, which is ominous for his opponents. And do please point out which of Plushenkos jumps were under-rotated. Ive never seen him called UR in his senior career. He gets lovely height.

    And once again, youve erased 2000-2001 from your brainbox…

    -No moron, it comes from a combination of technique AND artistic ability, neither of which Plushenko has EVER had. And how could Yagudin EVENTUALLY be better at interpretation (artistry) when he was already better at it in the first place?! Plushenkos never been a step above anybody and youre a JOKE if you think he EVER won against Yagudin, especially in major competitions.-

    Im sorry, I just burst out laughing here. Look, Yagudins probably the best artist the sport has ever had. And hes one of the technical greats as well. But Im sorry, saying that Plushenko has NEVER had technique or artistry? Sure, I agree Plushenkos artistry is not for everyone. But TECHNIQUE? Are you honestly saying a skater that can jump four different quads (alone and in combination) is deficient in TECHNIQUE?

    Youre the joke here pal. Oh, and by the way, that tricky erasing memory of yours is coming into play again…GPF 2000? Worlds 2001? Any of those ringing a bell for you?

    -And your incompetency knows no bounds. His flexibility is disgusting and has no bearing on musicality (which he doesnt have) or artistic talent (which he also doesnt possess).-

    How is flexibility disgusting? Im confused. To attain and maintain flexibility takes incredible work. So Plushenko was flexible and used it to his advantage. How on earth is that disgusting?

    Also, lack of musicality? Lack of artistry? Have you watched Saint Petersburg 300 (particularly 2002 GPF final version) or Tribute to Nijinsky (2003 Artur Dimitriev show version or 2004 Russian Nationals version)?

    -Its not even close by the second. Yagudins got the highest triple-axel in the world, he did ALL the triple-jump combos PROPERLY before Plushenko ever learned how to do them without cheating them (which is why he would add the half 3-turn after the quads – thats a cheat). Yagudin always pulled it together when it counted, Plushenko STILL makes stupid mistakes.-

    This argument doesnt even make sense. Who gives a toss about the height of a jump, as long as its fully rotated and landed cleanly? (And I can give you the name of a skater with a 3A MILES better than Yagudins or Plushenkos – Ilia Kulik.)

    Ive never seen this -half 3-turn- you claim to be seeing…but then again I adore both Yagudin and Plushenko and have never looked upon either with such rabid hate as you display.

    -He WAS healthy, that wasnt an injury, he was born with the hip that way. Yagudins hip has since been replaced and he was going to reenter eligibility in 2007 but the Plush kiss-asses that are the Russian Federation wouldnt give him permission.-

    How can you call yourself a Yagudin fan and perpetuate that lie? Yagudin had a major injury to his hip in late 2002 – its called a hairline fracture, idiot. Yagudin was going to re-enter eligibility in 2007 but he stopped OF HIS OWN ACCORD, not because anyone else stopped him. He couldnt do the quad without major pain. Now hes lost half his triples because of the major pain. He wasnt prevented from making a comeback by the federation – he was prevented from making a comeback by the physical limitations imposed on him by his body. I would have given anything to see him and Plushenko head to head again (and Im fairly sure they would both enjoy it) but Yagudins body hasnt held out. Now I simply cherish every show performance of Yagudins, knowing that with every year we get closer to the time where he wont be able to skate anymore.

    And I think the Russian skating federations behaviour to Plushenko over the last couple of years has PROVED they are not kiss-asses.

    You are a gigantic dumbass and I\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\’m sure Yagudin would be ashamed that you call yourself his fan.

  26. ilovethemboth
    Posted May 19, 2011 at 8:53 am

    @DelsuionsofDrabger

    -And he did that AFTER Yagudin already did it in practice at Worlds in 2002, which is LONG before Plushenko ever did it.-

    Incorrect: Plushenko attempted the 4-3-3 as the opening jumping pass of his long program in Salt Lake City (before Worlds in 2002). He did not get credit for the combination because he couldnt hold the landing of the 3Lo.

    -Still means nothing considering he deserved NEITHER of those medals, since he made very stupid and very bad mistakes in both of those Olys. And the last medal that he got he whined about also (just like the one he got in 2002) because he cant handle losing, and yet thats all he ever did against Yagudin.-

    ……Excuse me, what? There can be no doubt he deserved silver at SLC – in spite of the bad fall in the SP his LP was simply fantastic, a true example of putting everything into a performance. Yagudin was simply flawless. If he was unhappy about silver, it was because he lost to his great rival on the biggest stage of all. Wouldnt you be a touch upset also? Im curious to know what bad mistake he made in your eyes at Turin. There could be no doubt he was the best skater there. As for Vancouver…Plushenko was expressing his displeasure about the scoring system. A lot of his -whining- was misquoting by the American press.

    And he only ever lost to Yagudin? Oh, I see…another deluded Yagudin fan who believes the 2000-2001 season never existed!

    -No, it has to do with judges propping him up for no reason, and he still has less Major Competitive Golds than Yagudin does, so again it still places him HIGHER than Plushenko.-

    The judges dont -prop him up for no reason-. They mark the best skater in the world according to how he skated. If someone is popping off 4T-3T-2Lo combos of course they\’re going to be marked higher than someone who isnt.. Your argument makes no sense…

    -Sweety, Plushy-pos built like an anorexic little girl with no muscle, which explains why his jumps arent high enough to complete rotation. And as already stated, he got his ass beat by Yagudin routinely so obviously he didnt win at all up against someone on that list.-

    Actually, take a closer look at pictures of Plushenko from late 2000- late 2004. He was INCREDIBLY muscular, especially through his backside and thighs. His top half wasnt exactly limp noodle either. If you look at his pictures now, hes getting the same figure again, which is ominous for his opponents. And do please point out which of Plushenkos jumps were under-rotated. Ive never seen him called UR in his senior career. He gets lovely height.

    And once again, youve erased 2000-2001 from your brainbox…

    -No moron, it comes from a combination of technique AND artistic ability, neither of which Plushenko has EVER had. And how could Yagudin EVENTUALLY be better at interpretation (artistry) when he was already better at it in the first place?! Plushenkos never been a step above anybody and youre a JOKE if you think he EVER won against Yagudin, especially in major competitions.-

    Im sorry, I just burst out laughing here. Look, Yagudins probably the best artist the sport has ever had. And hes one of the technical greats as well. But Im sorry, saying that Plushenko has NEVER had technique or artistry? Sure, I agree Plushenkos artistry is not for everyone. But TECHNIQUE? Are you honestly saying a skater that can jump four different quads (alone and in combination) is deficient in TECHNIQUE?

    Youre the joke here pal. Oh, and by the way, that tricky erasing memory of yours is coming into play again…GPF 2000? Worlds 2001? Any of those ringing a bell for you?

    -And your incompetency knows no bounds. His flexibility is disgusting and has no bearing on musicality (which he doesnt have) or artistic talent (which he also doesnt possess).-

    How is flexibility disgusting? Im confused. To attain and maintain flexibility takes incredible work. So Plushenko was flexible and used it to his advantage. How on earth is that disgusting?

    Also, lack of musicality? Lack of artistry? Have you watched Saint Petersburg 300 (particularly 2002 GPF final version) or Tribute to Nijinsky (2003 Artur Dimitriev show version or 2004 Russian Nationals version)?

    -Its not even close by the second. Yagudins got the highest triple-axel in the world, he did ALL the triple-jump combos PROPERLY before Plushenko ever learned how to do them without cheating them (which is why he would add the half 3-turn after the quads – thats a cheat). Yagudin always pulled it together when it counted, Plushenko STILL makes stupid mistakes.-

    This argument doesnt even make sense. Who gives a toss about the height of a jump, as long as its fully rotated and landed cleanly? (And I can give you the name of a skater with a 3A MILES better than Yagudins or Plushenkos – Ilia Kulik.)

    Ive never seen this -half 3-turn- you claim to be seeing…but then again I adore both Yagudin and Plushenko and have never looked upon either with such rabid hate as you display.

    -He WAS healthy, that wasnt an injury, he was born with the hip that way. Yagudins hip has since been replaced and he was going to reenter eligibility in 2007 but the Plush kiss-asses that are the Russian Federation wouldnt give him permission.-

    How can you call yourself a Yagudin fan and perpetuate that lie? Yagudin had a major injury to his hip in late 2002 – its called a hairline fracture, idiot. Yagudin was going to re-enter eligibility in 2007 but he stopped OF HIS OWN ACCORD, not because anyone else stopped him. He couldnt do the quad without major pain. Now hes lost half his triples because of the major pain. He wasnt prevented from making a comeback by the federation – he was prevented from making a comeback by the physical limitations imposed on him by his body. I would have given anything to see him and Plushenko head to head again (and Im fairly sure they would both enjoy it) but Yagudins body hasnt held out. Now I simply cherish every show performance of Yagudins, knowing that with every year we get closer to the time where he wont be able to skate anymore.

    And I think the Russian skating federations behaviour to Plushenko over the last couple of years has PROVED they are not kiss-asses.

    You are a gigantic dumbass and I\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\’m sure Yagudin would be ashamed that you call yourself his fan.

  27. Ayshe
    Posted April 19, 2012 at 7:41 am

    Evgeni Plushenko Number One!!!!

  28. 4Skin
    Posted December 29, 2012 at 4:22 pm

    Figure skating fans are just as obsessive and freaky as fans of other sports. Jeez.

  29. Emily
    Posted January 27, 2013 at 9:09 pm

    I think Kurt Browning deserves to be on this list. He is one of the most underrated skaters in history, and the fact that he never won an Olympic medal always seems to count him out of discussions.

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