Is UFC Fighting Realistic?
Is UFC fighting really the closest thing to being a sport version of street fighting? How close is it?
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Since the time the Ultimate Fighting Campionship began, it has been hailed as the most realistic form of sport fighting. It has sought to include all modalities of fighting, combining striking and kicking (including knees, elbows, and headbutts), throws and takedowns, and grappling on the ground. It began without weight categories and with perhaps the fewest restrictive rules of any combative sport that could be legally conducted in any state in the U.S. Although weight divisions and other developments have since been implimented, it is still widely felt to have retained its status as the most realistic form of sport fighting.
But can it really be said to equate to a sport version of survival fighting? What is the balance between the similarities and the differences between UFC fighting and survival-oriented fighting? Let us examine the relevant factors and see what conclusions emerge.
Respective goals
The first thing we should consider is a comparison of their respective goals, since this one factor exerts the greatest influence on how each type of fighting is conducted. The goal of a UFC fight is, as with any professional sport, to win a contest and thereby gain status within the context of the sport as well as earn a cash prize. In order to achieve this, the contestant trains intensively as a high-level althete in order to sharpen his skills, power, tactical savvy, and other attributes. In addition, he is able to study the tactics of his opponent has used in past fights in order to help determine what his game-plan should be in the upcoming match. Winning the match is achieved by knocking out the opponent, causing him to submit, or otherwise bringing him to a state where the fight will be stopped to protect his well-being, or by judges’ decision at the end of the match.
The goal of survival fighting or self-defense is very different from this. The real goal of survival fighting is to survive the situation intact, and in some cases to help someone else survive it intact, such as protecting a loved one. For the majority of people who desire to learn self-defense, spending several hours per day training as a professional athlete is simply not an option, so there are a number of attributes that the survival fighter is very unlikely to develop to the degree that a professional sport fighter typically has access to. This means realistic survival-fighting training must take a somewhat different approach than professional sport-fighting training. Different attributes must come to the fore.
Environmental differences
Just as in other sports, the sport fighter peforms in an arena designed specifically for the sport. The UFC octogon consists basically of a chainlink fence with padded posts enclosing a shock-absorbing surface which makes impact with the floor a little more forgiving than most ground or floor surfaces one encounters in daily life. This overall design is for the safety of the fighters as well as the audience. There are no dangerous objects to collide with, nothing to trip over, nothing to grab and use as a weapon, overhead space is entirely unobstructed, and the surface is treated to prevent slipperiness.
It goes without saying that none of these safety factors can be counted on in a self-defense situation. A real attack can occur on hard pavement, gravel, mud, ice, broken glass, stairs, uneven surfaces, slopes, slippery leaves, ankle-deep in water, or any other ground or floor conditions imaginable. Get thrown onto the edge of a curb or into/onto some other dangerous object, and the resulting injury could be fatal in and of itself, or render you vulnerable to your opponent’s continued attack.
In addition, there are all kinds of other environmental factors that can easily become hazardous in a survival fight. Telephone poles, mailboxes, garbage cans, the corners of buildings, moving vehicles, sudden drops in height, thorny vegetation, furniture…the list is endless. Finally, there are potentially all kinds of items that can be picked up and used as weapons at any time by either you or your opponent. Any of these factors can suddenly and completely change the outcome of a survival fight.
In the octogon, the goal is to go after the opponent, whereas in a survival fight the goal is often to escape intact at the first available opportunity. Therefore, one more environmental factor to consider is escape routes. In the octogon there is no escape route, but none is needed because escaping from the match itself would be absurd. In survival fighting, you never want to be trapped with no way out, and this requires a somewhat different kind of awareness of your surroundings than a professional fighter needs to think about.
Interactive differences
The most basic and obvious interactive difference between sport fighting and survival fighting is that in sport fighting you always know that you only have to deal with one single opponent. In addition, you always know well ahead of time who that one opponent will be and what his favored fighting style is. Opponents are often matched up based on their current status within the sport.
In survival fighting, you have no prior control or knowledge of who your opponent is, what they know, how they fight, or how many of them you will have to deal with. You have no control over whether any opponent has a weapon. Attacks are often by surprise, or with little warning even if your awareness tells you something unpleasant could be about to happen.
What you do before a potential attack takes place could be every bit as much a deciding factor as anything that could happen in the fight itself. By this I mean how aware you are of the people around you, their "casual" movements relative to your position, their body language and facial expression, their possible focus on you or behavior toward you potentially leading to an attack, and so on. An attacker could also remain completely hidden from your view, planning a surprise ambush. The factors of this sort simply do not exist as such in sport matches. An attack could come at any moment, from any direction, from any potential attacker, whether you’ve detected any clues to an impending attack or not.
In a survival situation, you cannot depend on getting the chance to assume any sort of on-guard position to fight from, so it is wise to emphasize dealing with attack/defense interactions from literally any body position you happen to be in, whether standing, sitting, bent over, twisted around, etc. For instance, if in training you depend too much on a boxer/kickboxer-style on-guard stance from which to generate your strikes, kicks, footwork, or other movements, you can end up in trouble on the street. If there’s more than one opponent (and in survival fighting you can never afford to assume there isn’t), you obviously cannot face all of them at the ideal angle for your favorite on-guard stance, and naturally you cannot expect that they will be courteous enough to take turns coming at you on a one-by-one basis. Most likely, one will occupy your front while the others flank you and/or come at you from the rear.
Tactical differences
The kind of sparring often seen in martial arts schools and the way sport fights often begin has something in common, which involves the two opponents spending some time moving around each other in their on-guard positions, sometimes throwing jabs or the equivalent, as a sort of feeling-out process by which each one assesses the likely tactics and reaction habits of the other. This gives the fighter some potential information by which to make adjustments to his game-plan when dealing with that particular opponent on that particular occasion. In addition, the fighters know they have three five-minute rounds (five five-minute rounds for a title bout) to achieve a knockout, gain a submission, or score points on the judges’ score cards, so they have more than enough time to make any "feel-out" assessments they need to make before launching their heavy guns.
In survival fighting, you simply cannot afford to waste time making these kinds of assessments. Even if you only see one opponent before you, you have no control over whether additional ones might join in. Therefore, you must deal with any opponent as quickly as humanly possible. The more time you spend on any one opponent, the more time you give others to join in, and the more potentially tired you will become as the time drags on. In a survival fight, your personal danger potentially increases with literally every moment that goes by until you are out of danger altogether. Since you cannot afford to count on being able to "spar around" with any attacker, the relative realism of spending a lot of training time sparring in that particular manner can come into question. Perhaps then a greater nod toward realism in sparring is, instead of expending time moving around feeling the opponent out, to go in on him immediately and learn how to deal with things from that perspective.
Another potential disadvantage of the feeling-out tactic is the exactly the same as the supposed advantage: each opponent gets to see how the other moves and reacts. In other words, while you are assessing your opponent, your opponent also gets to assess you! Just standing there in your favored on-guard gives plenty away as it is, although some perhaps do not realize this. Even if your on-guard is one the opponent has never before seen, if his level of understanding/experience is sufficient, he may still make a useful assessment. One way to avoid this problem, if it is efficacious to assume any sort of on-guard at all, is to be in a state of constant relaxed motion that does not settle on any particular position. Even then, in case your opponent is especially astute, it is best to avoid falling into any kind of pattern he can detect. If there is more than one opponent, the need to remain in constant motion is even more critical. For individuals with limited training time available to them, choosing what to spend time practicing on can end up being a vital deciding factor in a self-defense situation.
Ground grappling
One favored tactic of many UFC contestants is to take the opponent to the ground and go for a submission. Royce Gracie became famous early on for his ability to win UFC matches in just this way. As time progressed however, methodologies were created specifically for countering the Brazillian Jujitsu tactics which Gracie’s participation in UFC exposed to the world. An often-repeated saying states that most fights end up on the ground, and tactics like Gracie’s are unquestionably effective. Does that mean a survival fighter should spend a lot of time training in these methods?
The single greatest factor which makes these ground-grappling tactics work so well in the octogon is the fact that there is only one opponent! In a survival situation, if you are tied up with one opponent on the ground for more than the slightest moment in any way which does not allow you to change your position instantly, you are unavoidably vunerable to any additional opponent’s actions. In addition, wrestling on the ground can become very fatiguing in a very short time, making it harder to deal with additional opponents, or even with a single opponent whose physical condition happens to be in a better state than yours at that moment.
Here again is where environmental factors can become critical. In an unexpected attack, you do not get to choose what kind surface the attack takes place on. If you go to the ground, you can land on rocks, broken glass, or other potentially injurious objects. Just hitting hard pavement alone can potentially render you unable to fight effectively. In other environments, you can become tangled in blackberries or other plantlife which has sharps points of some kind, make hard contact with jagged rocks, etc. On a slope above a street, you can end up rolling down right into oncoming into traffic. There is no shortage of factors in a survival situation which can make ground grappling very dangerous, factors which simply do not exist in the UFC octogon, nor in any typical martial arts school for that matter. In short, ground grappling in a survival situation can get you killed.
Is ground grappling skill then valueless for the survival fighter? Certainly not, since going to the ground with your opponent(s) can at times happen despite your best efforts to avoid it. Perhaps the training emphasis should then be on escaping from such situations as quickly as they occur. Making any attempt to "win" with an opponent on the ground is foolhardy at best and fatal at worst. Work on tactics that keep you mobile even if you take your opponent down and lock him there. Maintain the ability to keep your surroundings constantly scanned while being able to let go of your locked opponent at any moment if need be so you can instantly change position to deal with additional opponents. Some kinds of locking positions will enable you to quickly manuever your downed opponent between you and any additional opponents. If you can’t do this, be ready to let go completely and use a quick disabling tactic, such as stomping some part of his body, to keep him from rejoining the fight. Any time there is more than one opponent, don’t hesitate to be vicious, because your life is in danger.
Conclusion
It is clear that there are so many vital factors which are different between UFC fighting and survival fighting that training for most people must also reflect that difference. Certainly a UFC-level fighter should be able to aquit himself well in a survival fight, considering the attributes gained in his training, but even then he is wise to be aware of the important differences that factor into the situation. Making the wrong mistake can be fatal for anyone, no matter how they’ve trained. For most people however, training according to these differences is far more essential, and can even make a life-and-death difference. This author must therefore conclude that UFC does not equate to being a sport version of survival fighting, but in fact contrasts sharply with it in some very important ways.
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Your article is full of misinformation and faulty premises.
By your logic a professional basketball player would be easily beaten by ghetto ball players who do their thing on glass-strewn inner-city courts, and who are good at fouling their opponent.
Max, Pro basket ball and ghetto basket ball is both basketball. only one gets paid to do it while the other just plays or bets.
sportfighting is not the same as self-defence.
sportfighting has rules, however few there still are rules. self-defence have no rules, not a single one, but you have to make for whatever you do against the law. this is real life where life is at stake whatever the outcome. there is no winner in self-defence situation- only survivors.
if you recall, there is this athlete on his prime, a ring fighter, he was shot and killed when he ran after the guy who sidesiped his parked car.
this is the difference between sport and self defence
Wallen, hi. I’m not talking about the ‘game’ of basketball, but the difference between a street ball player and a pro athlete. Your distinction is specious.
I’m aware of Alex Gong – victim of a freak accident coupled with bad judgement. It had nothing to do with skill or technique or even fighting prowess. After all, a baby can poke his finger in your eye.
As you know sport fighting is derived from ‘Vale Tudo’ which is no-holds barred fighting. Though terrain and environment is a factor, the effect of such factors is mediated since both combatants are positively or negatively affected by it. The fighting experience of the sport fighter will trump most other factors. In the case of multiple opponents, no fighting art is preparatory for a coordinated attack. Here attributes may be the deciding factor and we know that sport fighting develops the right attributes.
I can teach a sport fighter to be aware of environmental and supplimentary factors in a single seminar. However it takes years to teach an RBSD fighter how to really fight.
Max I agree with this article. The basic idea of it is saying that environmental factors can come into play affecting either or both fighters. Also things like tripping on a curb is something that would never even happen when fighting in a ring. And your basketball thing seems similar but really isn’t. The goal for both athletes is still the same (winning) and the court is the same, except with a little glass here and there, but nothing that will trip them up or anything.
Hi Brett,
So you’re saying that MMA guys should train more outside and get used to curbs and trash?
I don’t think it will affect their training that much, after all, they’re still capable of rational thought and of improvisation, just like any of the Reality Based Self-defense (RBSD) guys.
The Pro BB’er is going to beat the streetball guy no matter what the venue, inside, outside, environmental aspects or not. Same with the MMA guy who actually fights. Should the MMA guy or pro fighter find a deficiency in ‘environmental factors’ or in point of view they could train that up in a matter of days.
The ’street fighter’ is going to have to spend years getting up to speed with the profighter’s ability to actually fight.
Fighting is 70% aggression and conditioning, though, so if either is lacking in these they’re in for a long night.
HTH
The issue of multiple opponents, unfamiliar and rule-less, is a valid one.Karate & Boxing are likely the best when you are outnumbered in a streetfight / grappling the worst (you get opponent in a choke-hold, but are hit on the back of the head by his buddy).
I remember watching the early UFC’s (1-10).No weight classes, less stringent time/round limits, groin shots allowed, hair pulling allowed, elbows/knees to anywhere, etc, etc. It was so drastically different in terms of chaotic options and lack of fair-play rules, that it did mirror a streetfight (excluding the multiple simultaneous opponents scenario).
Now, the UFC is in a refined category like Judo, Boxing, wrestling, sport-Jiu-Jitsu.There are so many constraints and restrictions on your combat options / match-up possibilities, that it no longer mirrors a streetfight as the early UFC’s used to do.
Early UFCs showed that Karate and boxing couldn’t beat one fighter when it went to the ground, let alone multiple attackers, so I wouldn’t be so quick to say that they are better than BJJ in a street fight.
Horrible article and I recommend you watching a next session of The Ultimate Fighter (TUF) on Spike to learn a little about the sport before making articles like this.
You are misinformed and will need to edit/scrap this article
UFC guys are tough. They train year round for endurance, to be able to take a punch/kick, and to perfect their strikes and holds and take downs. They are professional fighters.
However, they compete in a sport with rules, and they train to fight within those rules. In a real fight, the only rule is to win at all costs. In San Soo, Students/Masters train to kill or incapacitate their opponent as quickly as possible. Every strike is a prelude to the next strike. The goal is survival.
Once a student of San Soo strikes, he/she never stops until the threat is eliminated. Be it a punch or kick or knee or elbow to the groin, throat, knee, or any other vital area that is exposed, a San Soo student trains diligently to annihilate that target, from any and every angle.
I love watching the UFC, and I admire the strength and endurance of the fighters. However, as a student of San Soo, I feel confident that if I were to face one of them in a real fight, I have the ability to protect myself by aggressively taking my opponent out of the equation. Or, if I am currently outskilled, as I am not a long time San Soo student, I feel that as I progress up the ladder and become more skilled I would be able to do so.
I am by no means an expert, but I have seen first hand what these guys can do. It’s pretty amazing stuff.
BWAHAHAHAHA! Sorry, Josh you could not take out a professional fighter in any kind of situation, unless you had a gun; maybe a knife. The problem with any traditional martial arts that involve eye-gouging or throat strikes is that you cannot actually practice these things.You want to talk about not practicing something under realistic conditions there is not way to practice the so-called “lethal” techniques of some traditional martial arts. Real street fights are sloppy and very ugly looking, they are not what you have trained for. The reason why most MMA fights look good (sometimes they still look very sloppy) is because they are professionals. Your instructor is putting you and everyone else he is teaching in danger.
I beg to differ. I doubt either of you have any more experience fighting against an experienced San Soo fighter than you think I have against a professional MMA fighter. You make pro MMA fighters out to be these ultra-experienced fighters, and though they do train a lot, many of them haven’t even been fighting for an extraordinarily long time. In fact, most of the ‘veteran’ UFC fighters have been involved with the UFC for less than 10 years, max, though more can only claim a few years. Back in the early days of UFC, many of the fighters entered the Octagon as their first fight.
Tank Abbot was a street fighter with no pro experience when he stepped in the Octagon. Obviously his lack of conditioning and training were a factor, but when he did well, he did well.
The current champ, Chuck Liddell, was a bartender just a few years ago.
I’ve been in close to 20 street fights in my life, and I’ve yet to lose one. So, martial artist or not, I know a bit about fighting. It’s something that’s always seemed to come instinctively for me. That said, as a student of San Soo, I’m learning things I never thought of before, things that will help tremendously in a fight. Still reconditioning post-surgically from an Army injury, I know that my conditioning is terrible, and there is no way I’d out last a pro, but I am working on it. Still, if I worked at it for the next couple years, I’d be back in shape and fit for fighting.
Seriously, if you think San Soo guys are pushovers simply because they don’t wear spandex shorts and fight inside of an Octagon that didn’t exist 15 years ago, then you are sorely mistaken, and I encourage you to test the theory out.
Your facts are almost all completely wrong.
Chuck Liddell has been doing martial arts his entire life and was a D-1 wrestler in college. Tank Abbott was just a guy who liked to fight, but this even works against even more since he did come in with absolutely no martial arts experince and beat many traditional marital artists. He is about 1-7 in the past 10 years and it shows how much professional fighting has changed.Even in the early UFC’s his wins came against guys who have done little in their careers since, while his loses against guys like Oleg Tarktov and Dan Severn show what happened when he fought a quality fighter.
Yes the UFC has been around for 15 years, as had modern mixed martial arts. MMA came from Vale Tudo in Brazil about 70 years ago and the idea of “no rules fighting” has been going on for a lot longer in Japan. Most of the fighters in the UFC(in all major MMA organizations for that matter)have been doing some form of martial arts or combat sports for their entire lives.
Did you eye gouge or throat strike the guys in your 20 street fights? Were they MMA fighters? The problem wasn’t that you said the professional fighters wouldn’t be so dominate in a streetfight, it is that you said you could take a professional fighter with methods that aren’t practiced in full speed and are pretty much common sense to anyone because apparently a ju-jitsu black belt doesn’t know how to kick someone in the balls.
Okay, you tell me that my facts are almost all completely wrong, then you don’t provide one example of how any of my facts are wrong. If you think I am misstating a fact, then please provide the correction, or don’t make such a claim.
Yes, Chuck has been a long time martial artist, and was a collegiate wrestler, but this only hurts your argument that martial artists would be destroyed by “pro” MMA fighters. Chuck has only been pro for a few years, and is champion.
Abbot is a guy who likes to fight, and as I said, his lack of conditioning and training were a factor in his performance. He did well against some, but he tired easily and was outfought by who? Those with more martial arts experience.
I did not eye gouge or throat strike in my fights. I did use groin strikes though, as well as some leverages. I was largely untrained in martial arts, though, and mainly won by superior aggression, stamina, and the ability to take a lot of punishment. Growing up in a bad area, I’ve been jumped more than a couple times. I fought so aggressively, while maintaining a cool head, that I was able to convince my attackers to get back in their cars and drive away. In my one on one fights, I have never been struck, except for pugil stick fights while in the Army. Had I not been jumped, I still would not know how good my “chin” is.
Now, I’m not trying to brag, and I’m absolutely positive that there are fighters out there who would mop the floor with me(though I can never admit that to myself because I need to be able to approach any encounter with a positive, confident, will-win attitude.) However, I’ve seen enough in my martial arts training to know that San Soo is some great stuff.
Now, while we do begin new techniques slowly, we build up speed in training until we are going full speed, but still we show restraint. That you assume San Soo is basically common sense shows that you really don’t know much about it. I think you should check it out before you keep making false statements about it, don’t you? Anyone can sit here and argue about something they really don’t know about, but it’s kind of silly. Anyone who does know San Soo will know you don’t know what you’re talking about. Also, if you don’t know San Soo, you’ll only be doing yourself a favor by checking it out.
The main difference between pro fighters and San Soo students is that all pro fighters are fighters, whereas all San Soo students are not. Obviously, a 90 pound San Soo girl, as skilled as she is, will probably have a difficult time with a tried and tested pro fighter. However, there are a lot of San Soo guys, like myself, who are strong, and who have a good amount of experience fighting.
BTW: I’m sure a BJJ can kick a guy in the balls. That’s not really an issue though. My San Soo school also had BJJ classes 3 times a week, as well as kick-boxing and box aerobics. To assume that any of us are pushovers, who don’t know how to fight, simply because we haven’t chosen the UFC as a career is asking for trouble.
Josh,
There is a difference between you and MMA fighters. They prove what they claim all the time. There are several MMA and BJJ schools that have open challenges and will let you use your San Soo. You say bring them on… well, advertise that in a local martial arts publication or throw out some flyers and they will show up.
I know quite a bit about San Soo, Jimmy Woo, and the differences between SS and other Chinese arts. I’ve known students, worked out with them, read several books on the art – and even recommended to a friend that she send her sons to Scott Leitch’s San Soo school in AZ after extensive conversations with him. Don’t just guess that I have no experience or knowledge in the art and then act like your guess is a real fact.
This is the oldest debate in the world. It comes down to one simple thing – will you go and seek out an MMA school that will allow you to use what you want in a challenge match? The answer is very obviously “yes” or “No, I mean, not right now… I mean, if I train a few more years.. I mean… well, this guy I know…” It always ends that way or with a submission. You beat someone by being better at them at something like punching, kicking, precision targeting, and throwing. Not by being worse than them at all of those things but fiercely determined.
Nobody said San Soo guys are pushovers – we said YOU CAN’T BEAT A UFC LEVEL MMA FIGHTER, let’s not create a diversion form what makes us uncomfortable, now. Your ridiculous claim is bogus, but is very easy to prove. You remind me of a delusional Canadain I knew named Oliver. He was a “Combat Tai Chi” guy who claimed that he was but a mere 3 years away from killing proficiency. Always on about what MMA guys couldn’t do, always claiming he’d prove it and never doing so.
It’s like you’ve claimed you have a secret method of running that will let you beat Olympians and shatter world records, but it is too secret to show… LOL! Ya, cool… sure ya do.
You said your streetfights were “mainly won by superior aggression, stamina, and the ability to take a lot of punishment”. Well guess what? UFC level MMA guys have WAY, WAY more of all of those than you.
I’ve know and deeply respected many traditional martial artists in my lifetime. None of them make silly claims and boasts about what they will soon be able to do. They say the bucket that is half empty splashes twice as loud.
You talk about making silly claims and then you go and say that UFC level MMA guys have WAY, WAY more of all of the qualities I have, yet you don’t even know, you’ve never seen me, and you’ve never fought me. So, how are you going to sit there and pass judgments on someone you’ve never met, and have never seen in action?
The reason I made the comment about progressing up the ladder is because I didn’t want to portray myself as a San Soo expert without first earning the right. You see, I’m not trying to portray myself as something I am not. I can, however, take what I know of MMA, and what I know of San Soo, relate it to my own experience in fighting, and make a realistic judgment.
Even if I went into a MMA school and issued a challenge right now, I wouldn’t be representing San Soo, I would be representing myself, because, as I’ve said, my training in San Soo is not yet great enough to call myself a highly skilled practitioner of the art. And, if I were an expert at San Soo, I couldn’t rightly go and use the art against a sport fighter, unless my life were in danger. That’s the whole point of the whole discussion, isn’t it? A MMA fighter will go into a fight using everything he knows, everything he can do to win, but a San Soo master would not be able to do so, because a San Soo master trains to kill or incapacitate, unlike the MMA fighter who trains to knock out, win by decision, or force a submission. The only way to answer the question would be for the two fighters to engage in a fight where death, or severe bodily harm, would be the likely outcome. You can’t throw a San Soo guy into a ring, strap some gloves on him and say, okay, you can do whatever you want, as long as you throw about 75% of what you’ve trained for out the window, and still expect it to be a fair fight.
As for me, I would like to get into MMA. I’ve wanted to for a while. Like I said, I’m slowly reconditioning myself after a couple surgeries due to an ongoing problem I’ve had with an Army injury. I may never get to compete in MMA, and if you knew me, and knew those who knew me, you’d know that it would be a big disappointment for me.
I know what I’ve done. I know what I’m capable of now. And I know what I hope to be able to do in the future. Unfortunately, life sometimes steps in and does what it wants, regardless of what we want. In the meantime, I’ll keep training in San Soo, because it’s a lot of fun. I’ll keep working my body back to where it was, or even better. I’ll be cross training in BJJ and Kickboxing, and hopefully, if things work out my way, maybe one day soon I’ll get my shot in pro MMA competition.
EXACTLY as I thought – “No, I mean, not right now… I mean, if I train a few more years.. I mean… well, this guy I know…”
You guys are SO predictable.
Yeah, well I guess if you can put words in my mouth then it would be rather predictable. I’m sorry you don’t understand, but I really don’t have the time to keep coming back and explaining it to you.
I’ve never run from a fight in my life, and I wouldn’t start if an MMA fighter decided he wanted to do me harm. But I can’t help the fact that I’m injured at the moment. What would happen if one of those pro MMA guys whose pics you masturbate to were to get injured? Would they jump back into the ring or would they heal first?
Whatever, have fun with your delusions, jackass.
Yes, as the mighty warrior, you are reduced to a sputtering, insulting fool in a matter of seconds. Tell us all again how you can take a UFC level MMA fighter. LOL!
Everyone knows damn well that, when your injuries heal – nothing will change. The talkers like you are not the doers who actually act. You can posture and act tough all you want. Its lame and pathetic. If I’m deluded by not thinking you can stand with professional fighters, what are you for thinking you can?
Oh, so you’re not a fighter? Then what makes you think you have any idea what a martial artist can do against a pro MMA fighter? You’re basing all your statements on what you’ve seen on TV or the movies? LOL
What’s funny is that you want me to back up my claim that I could fight a MMA fighter in a STREET FIGHT by going and stepping into a ring to engage in a NON-STREET FIGHT. This was NEVER about whether a student of Survival Based Martial Arts could compete in a MMA tournament, but whether or not the UFC fighting is realistic and could stand up in a REAL LIFE STREET FIGHT!
So you issued some twisted challenge that has nothing to do with the conversation, and when I say I’ll meet you and back up my statement, you of course, try to talk your way out of it. Like I said, you’re a jackass. I’m done with you.
See, I never said if I was or wasn’t currently a fighter or what my background was. Its kinda hypocritical to say I know nothing of you and then make guesses about me and act as if they’re gospel. All I said was that YOU can’t fight UFC guys and I stand by that statement. You, however, felt the need to change the subject, attack me based on guesses, and pretend I’ve challenged you. I have only told you that there are many places you can prove your claims, but that you won’t do that, and you’ll have an excuse. This was 100% correct and it makes you mad at me to be reminded of this, so you try to change the subject to me. Thats a cowardly tactic.
So here is a recap.
You: I can fight MMA guys.
Me: No, you can’t.
You: I was in the Army.
Me: You can prove it, but you won’t.
You: but I have an injury…
Me: See?
You: You’re a jerk
Me: Don’t change the subject.
You: Fight me.
Me: LOL, so you’re NOT gonna prove anything?
You: I’m done with you.
Me: Always happens the same way.
It DOES always happen the same way. These keyboard warriors claim they can do this or that, and then ya say – ya, prove it – and they hate on you then run away scared.
Josh, buddy – you’re a turd thats never going to fight anything but a lifetime of inadequecy.
Queso, I have to agree with ya. There are truly some knuckleheads out there in martial arts in general. Now, I take nothing from San Soo as it is has a rightful place as any other martial art, but many practitioners of arts take the way too deadly way too far. MMA vs dingaling with 3 yrs in jarjarkung is apples and oranges in many ways. MMA guys are high performance engines and unless you are prepared for this type of intensity, then there is only a very slim chance of success. If a fighter restrained by rules can continually destroy and you take away those rules, LOOK out! Now there are obvious exceptions as some very seasoned fighters are also traditional martial artists, but if you have never tasted or drawn blood then your bucket is definitely making a lot of splashing.